August 24, 2008

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August 24, 2008

Post by millipede » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:21 pm

John 3
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You know, John 3:16 is probably the most quoted verse in the bible. Yet, it's just a small part of a conversation Jesus had with a man named Nicodemus. 36 verses in this chapter and we often remember only one, and perhaps sometimes two. I always believe there is more to look at in the rest of the passage and that's why I chose this today.

It's interesting... The way Nicodemus addresses Jesus, it sounds like he believes that God is with him but doesn't understand that Jesus is God. It's all a little confusing but I think as I re-read it I'm understanding more... about why Jesus responds the way he does. He sees that the man does not recognize that Jesus is the son of God. He, like so many others of that time and of today, thought that Jesus was nothing more than a man, even though he acknowledged that god was with Him... He just couldn't see that Jesus was God. I imagine many were confused in that day.
So Jesus goes on to explain how no man can see the kingdom unless he is born again.
The way I'm reading this at the moment, John chapter 3 has a LOT more to offer than just verse 16 by which many Christians are born.
Even though it sounds like the most important thing in the Bible, there is a lot more stuff all around it that is pretty important as well.
Most of us that call ourselves Christians have studied John 3:16. It's a message of love. God sent his son to die for us.
There's more to it than that?
Oh don't get me started :lol: Of course there is.
The main message, to me anyway, in this chapter of John is about being born of the Spirit.
We all know that in order to be saved that we need to accept the gift that God has given us, His own son. That sounds simple enough. But Jesus wasn't teaching Nicodemus about that one verse. In order to see the kingdom of heaven people need to be baptized in the spirit. Basically, Nicodemus couldn't see the truth that was before him, and why he couldn't was because he first of all didn't know that Jesus was the son of God, and secondly because he did not have the holy spirit with him.
Basically what it comes down to, how I'm reading it at the moment anyway, is that baptism is way more than just an outward symbol of our acceptance of Christ. It is our receiving the holy spirit, and in doing so, I do believe things will be more clear in our lives.
Anyway, I think I already said some of this is a bit complicated. Without the spirit, I don't believe much will make perfect sense to us.
Just don't ever forget that there's more to John chapter 3 than verse 16 and 17.

After that, there's a bit more about baptism with conversations with John and other people. The main stuff I wanted to go over was towards the beginning, the conversation with Nicodemus, but I figured I'd put the whole chapter in anyway. It's always good to read a few extra verses. :D

God, I just thank you for your most precious gift that you gave to us, even while we were sinners and so undeserving. Oh, how wonderful and mysterious your love for us is.
I pray that while we never forget this precious gift, that we also never forget the rest of the story and the rest of your teachings. I pray that you will fill me with your holy spirit that I might see you.

"But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:"
- Job 12:7

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